Meet Dr. Kateryna Terletska, the Mathematician, Oceanographer, Science Promoter, and Global Talent Mentoring Partner Connecting STEMM Talent from Ukraine with the World
Dr. Kateryna Terletska has a lot in common with the waves she researches. While we may not notice the waves far beneath the ocean’s surface, we see the impact they have on our shores and in our environment. Likewise, Dr. Terletska’s work as a scientist and science promoter has impacted many lives in Ukraine and abroad. When the doctor of physical and mathematical sciences is not busy studying the mechanics of waves, she is working to give educational science opportunities to young people and others in the Ukrainian and international communities. Dr. Terletska also serves as the coordinator of the UNESCO-recognized Junior Academy of Sciences of Ukraine (JASU), which is maintained by both the Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine and the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine.
The JASU is a valued partner of Global Talent Mentoring nominating talented youths as mentees and STEMM experts as mentors. Dr. Terletska recently shared her thoughts with engagement specialist Christin Graml on her work, mentoring, and getting young people—especially girls—engaged in science and helping those who have already found their passion to excel.
You are a scientist by profession. Would you please tell us a little bit about your area of STEMM expertise and your current research focus?
I have a strong background in the area of mechanics and applied mathematics. My approach to science starts with the research of waves in solids and continues in the area of fluid dynamics. Currently, I am working on numerical modeling in oceanography. My field of interest is internal waves that propagate not over the surface, but in the interior of the ocean. Such underwater waves can exist when a body of water is stratified, that is, when it consists of layers of water having different densities. Such a phenomenon is usually caused by a difference in water temperature or salinity. Mixing from breaking internal waves drives a vertical transport of water and heat throughout the ocean, thereby playing an important role in forming the circulation and distribution of heat within the climate system.
I have a strong background in the area of mechanics and applied mathematics. My approach to science starts with the research of waves in solids and continues in the area of fluid dynamics. Currently, I am working on numerical modeling in oceanography. My field of interest is internal waves that propagate not over the surface, but in the interior of the ocean. Such underwater waves can exist when a body of water is stratified, that is, when it consists of layers of water having different densities. Such a phenomenon is usually caused by a difference in water temperature or salinity. Mixing from breaking internal waves drives a vertical transport of water and heat throughout the ocean, thereby playing an important role in forming the circulation and distribution of heat within the climate system.
Since 2011, you have been working as a senior researcher at the Ukrainian Center of Environmental and Water Projects (UCEWP), which is part of the Institute of Mathematical Machines and Systems Problems (IMMSP). What are the main objectives of the UCEWP and IMMSP, and what are your responsibilities there as a senior researcher?
The Ukrainian Center of Environmental and Water Projects (UCEWP) is a research organization that applies knowledge in computer modeling to water management. Our team emerged in 1986 as a unit within the larger Institute of Mathematical Machines and Systems Problems (IMMSP) of the National Academy of Science of Ukraine (NASU). Back then, the center’s main objectives were the modeling of radionuclide transport in surface and subsurface water after the Chernobyl accident. Numerical models that were developed by the IMMSP were successfully used for environmental health-risk assessment, environmental engineering and ecology, hydrology, oceanography, meteorology, and river and marine hydraulics. My responsibilities in the team focus on numerical modeling of stratified flow, which covers a wide range of oceanographic problems.
The IMMSP focuses on the development of methods of mathematical modeling of hydro-meteorological phenomena, environmental pollution, dynamics of ecosystems and their creation based on computer forecasting systems, and support of decision-making for ecological safety and rational nature management.
At the IMMSP, I am also working on earning my habilitation. The habilitation in Ukraine is a postdoctoral research degree (in Ukrainian, “Doktor nauk”) that can be obtained after publication of a substantive monograph and at least 20 articles of high quality. After obtaining this research degree, the recipient is eligible to apply for a chair position at a university or research institute in Ukraine.
The Ukrainian Center of Environmental and Water Projects (UCEWP) is a research organization that applies knowledge in computer modeling to water management. Our team emerged in 1986 as a unit within the larger Institute of Mathematical Machines and Systems Problems (IMMSP) of the National Academy of Science of Ukraine (NASU). Back then, the center’s main objectives were the modeling of radionuclide transport in surface and subsurface water after the Chernobyl accident. Numerical models that were developed by the IMMSP were successfully used for environmental health-risk assessment, environmental engineering and ecology, hydrology, oceanography, meteorology, and river and marine hydraulics. My responsibilities in the team focus on numerical modeling of stratified flow, which covers a wide range of oceanographic problems.
The IMMSP focuses on the development of methods of mathematical modeling of hydro-meteorological phenomena, environmental pollution, dynamics of ecosystems and their creation based on computer forecasting systems, and support of decision-making for ecological safety and rational nature management.
At the IMMSP, I am also working on earning my habilitation. The habilitation in Ukraine is a postdoctoral research degree (in Ukrainian, “Doktor nauk”) that can be obtained after publication of a substantive monograph and at least 20 articles of high quality. After obtaining this research degree, the recipient is eligible to apply for a chair position at a university or research institute in Ukraine.
What inspired you to become a scientist?
My parents were a big inspiration. During my childhood, they sparked what would become my enduring interest in math. In primary school, I liked figuring out problems, solving mathematical puzzles, experimenting, reading books, and dreaming of exciting new adventures. My enjoyment of mathematics motivated me to study the subject in a math-focused school. As people pass through different stages of life, they ask different questions about the world around them. For me, the main question was about the usefulness of math—specifically, how mathematics applies to real life. This question continued to challenge me and ultimately determined my path to becoming a scientist.
My parents were a big inspiration. During my childhood, they sparked what would become my enduring interest in math. In primary school, I liked figuring out problems, solving mathematical puzzles, experimenting, reading books, and dreaming of exciting new adventures. My enjoyment of mathematics motivated me to study the subject in a math-focused school. As people pass through different stages of life, they ask different questions about the world around them. For me, the main question was about the usefulness of math—specifically, how mathematics applies to real life. This question continued to challenge me and ultimately determined my path to becoming a scientist.
Mentors are like a lifeguard in charge of ensuring that one makes informed decisions regarding important life choices.
Growing up and throughout your career, did you have someone who mentored you on your path to excellence in STEMM? If so, in what ways was this person or these people influential or supportive?
I had several people who believed in my abilities along the way, beginning with my math teachers in grade school and university. During my postdoctoral studies, my scientific advisor Prof. Vladimir Maderich has been very influential. While working on numerous international projects, including in the oceanographic institutes in South Korea and China, Prof. Maderich supported my ideas, inspired me, and showed me how to grow as a scientist. When I encountered a problem that seemed too complicated, he always gave me ideas about how to solve the problem more easily through a series of small steps.
I had several people who believed in my abilities along the way, beginning with my math teachers in grade school and university. During my postdoctoral studies, my scientific advisor Prof. Vladimir Maderich has been very influential. While working on numerous international projects, including in the oceanographic institutes in South Korea and China, Prof. Maderich supported my ideas, inspired me, and showed me how to grow as a scientist. When I encountered a problem that seemed too complicated, he always gave me ideas about how to solve the problem more easily through a series of small steps.
Why do you think a mentor can make such a big impact on a mentee’s life?
Mentors are like a lifeguard in charge of ensuring that one makes informed decisions regarding important life choices. Mentors are usually outstanding individuals with a wealth of experience that should be shared with others. Mentors help a mentee to grow and develop by sharing important professional or life lessons with their mentees. Academic mentors should inspire others by sharing ideas and explaining complex problems in simple words. In addition, the relationship between a mentor and mentee is usually personal. A study by Microsoft about why girls lose interest in STEM (Choney, 2018) underlines the importance of mentor figures in young women’s lives in increasing the likelihood of them entering STEM careers.
Mentors are like a lifeguard in charge of ensuring that one makes informed decisions regarding important life choices. Mentors are usually outstanding individuals with a wealth of experience that should be shared with others. Mentors help a mentee to grow and develop by sharing important professional or life lessons with their mentees. Academic mentors should inspire others by sharing ideas and explaining complex problems in simple words. In addition, the relationship between a mentor and mentee is usually personal. A study by Microsoft about why girls lose interest in STEM (Choney, 2018) underlines the importance of mentor figures in young women’s lives in increasing the likelihood of them entering STEM careers.
In your opinion as a female mathematician, why are mentors especially important for girls and young women who are interested in math?
Former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once said, “If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman.” There are several stereotypes about girls and math. One of them is that boys are better at STEMM. This is simply not true. A 2018 study published in Nature Communications (O’Dea, Lagisz, Jennions, et al., 2018) showed that there was little difference in the STEM grades of the 1.6 million evaluated students. Moreover, girls had significantly higher grades overall than boys by 6.3%.
So, we know that girls can do well in math, physics, and programming, but our stereotypes get in the way of girls being interested in these disciplines. Our society needs to move past these stereotypes through innovation and scientific progress so that we do not leave behind half of our population in this respect.
I think girls’ lower levels of interest in STEMM, especially in Ukraine, may be explained by social attitudes and beliefs about whether it is considered appropriate for girls to choose these subjects and careers. Limited knowledge about STEMM careers or career requirements among students may be preventing girls from choosing these fields. Mentors and positive role models in STEMM fields can help change outdated attitudes. I was recently featured in a documentary series by INSCIENCE called “Naukovytsi” (“Female Scientists”) about Ukrainian female scientists. The purpose of the documentaries is to break down these stereotypes and showcase females who are successful in STEMM.
Former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once said, “If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman.” There are several stereotypes about girls and math. One of them is that boys are better at STEMM. This is simply not true. A 2018 study published in Nature Communications (O’Dea, Lagisz, Jennions, et al., 2018) showed that there was little difference in the STEM grades of the 1.6 million evaluated students. Moreover, girls had significantly higher grades overall than boys by 6.3%.
So, we know that girls can do well in math, physics, and programming, but our stereotypes get in the way of girls being interested in these disciplines. Our society needs to move past these stereotypes through innovation and scientific progress so that we do not leave behind half of our population in this respect.
I think girls’ lower levels of interest in STEMM, especially in Ukraine, may be explained by social attitudes and beliefs about whether it is considered appropriate for girls to choose these subjects and careers. Limited knowledge about STEMM careers or career requirements among students may be preventing girls from choosing these fields. Mentors and positive role models in STEMM fields can help change outdated attitudes. I was recently featured in a documentary series by INSCIENCE called “Naukovytsi” (“Female Scientists”) about Ukrainian female scientists. The purpose of the documentaries is to break down these stereotypes and showcase females who are successful in STEMM.
What is your advice to females who might be afraid of pursuing a career in mathematics, which is a traditionally male-dominated field?
For my young female colleagues, I would advise them to communicate with women who are more experienced and senior. Female role models are an effective tool that gives girls the opportunity to not only succeed in life, but also understand that women have what it takes to excel in an academic environment and in leadership roles. Sometimes, the “imposter syndrome” or feelings of self-doubt can take over, which is common for women in male-dominated fields. We should remember that we can still perform well despite having these thoughts. It is important to keep this in mind and not forget previous successes.
For my young female colleagues, I would advise them to communicate with women who are more experienced and senior. Female role models are an effective tool that gives girls the opportunity to not only succeed in life, but also understand that women have what it takes to excel in an academic environment and in leadership roles. Sometimes, the “imposter syndrome” or feelings of self-doubt can take over, which is common for women in male-dominated fields. We should remember that we can still perform well despite having these thoughts. It is important to keep this in mind and not forget previous successes.
You are known in Ukraine as a popularizer of science. For example, you helped organize and were a keynote speaker at a TEDx event held 2018 in cooperation with the Kyiv School of Economics. Can you tell us a little bit about your science promotion endeavors and why it is meaningful for you to tell the public about the importance of science?
My colleagues and I started an initiative called “Real Science,” which hosts lectures by prominent Ukrainian scientists for high school students. Real Science helps young people make decisions regarding their scientific careers. Communication with scientists helps young people to train how they think. They learn how to distinguish good evidence from bad and what needs to be studied in greater depth. This manner of analytical thinking is important in many fields. Researchers are given a chance to present a wide variety of fields where science is applicable, such as medicine and computer science.
Our audience is actually much wider than high school students. We organize popular science lectures for ordinary people of all ages. They have become quite popular, as knowledge is an increasingly important resource and we all need reliable information. Admittedly, science can never offer a universal truth. It offers the scientific method with methodologically verifiable interpretations. We, as scientists and researchers, must master our skill of communication with society. Science is especially important for a place like Ukraine, a country with a Soviet mental heritage, due to its contribution to the functioning of democracies and the way it drives innovation and helps our country to be competitive in the global economy.
My colleagues and I started an initiative called “Real Science,” which hosts lectures by prominent Ukrainian scientists for high school students. Real Science helps young people make decisions regarding their scientific careers. Communication with scientists helps young people to train how they think. They learn how to distinguish good evidence from bad and what needs to be studied in greater depth. This manner of analytical thinking is important in many fields. Researchers are given a chance to present a wide variety of fields where science is applicable, such as medicine and computer science.
Our audience is actually much wider than high school students. We organize popular science lectures for ordinary people of all ages. They have become quite popular, as knowledge is an increasingly important resource and we all need reliable information. Admittedly, science can never offer a universal truth. It offers the scientific method with methodologically verifiable interpretations. We, as scientists and researchers, must master our skill of communication with society. Science is especially important for a place like Ukraine, a country with a Soviet mental heritage, due to its contribution to the functioning of democracies and the way it drives innovation and helps our country to be competitive in the global economy.
Our Ukrainian mentees say that the Global Talent Mentoring program is like a ‘window to the open world with its opportunities and perspectives.’
In addition to being a scientific researcher and public supporter of the sciences, you are also the coordinator of the Junior Academy of Sciences of Ukraine (JASU), a UNESCO-recognized educational system for young people in Ukraine and internationally. The JASU is also a valued partner of Global Talent Mentoring. Can you please tell us about the work of the JASU, as well as how the JASU supports the scientific endeavors of young people?
The Junior Academy of Sciences of Ukraine (JASU) facilitates and coordinates research activities of high school students. There are territorial offices of JASU in all regions of Ukraine. The national center, called the Junior Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, coordinates the work of these offices. The JASU is maintained by both the Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine and the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine (NASU). In each territorial office, we offer a number of extracurricular activities on various subjects. In each region, JASU research competitions take place. At the next level are national JASU competitions, which are carried out in 63 different scientific fields. The winners of the national competitions have the opportunity to represent Ukraine on the international level. The JASU gives talented Ukrainian youths the opportunity to participate in international Olympiads and competitions.
The Junior Academy of Sciences of Ukraine (JASU) facilitates and coordinates research activities of high school students. There are territorial offices of JASU in all regions of Ukraine. The national center, called the Junior Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, coordinates the work of these offices. The JASU is maintained by both the Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine and the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine (NASU). In each territorial office, we offer a number of extracurricular activities on various subjects. In each region, JASU research competitions take place. At the next level are national JASU competitions, which are carried out in 63 different scientific fields. The winners of the national competitions have the opportunity to represent Ukraine on the international level. The JASU gives talented Ukrainian youths the opportunity to participate in international Olympiads and competitions.
The JASU and Global Talent Mentoring are partnering to bring young talented STEMM students together with STEMM experts from around the world. How do you think Global Talent Mentoring can help young STEMM talents in Ukraine? How do you think Ukrainian STEMM experts benefit by participating as mentors?
Our Ukrainian mentees say that the Global Talent Mentoring program is like a “window to the open world with its opportunities and perspectives.” Personal experience of foreign researchers is extremely valuable for Ukrainian students. Young mentees have the opportunity to gain confidence and create their own diverse networks. Likewise, Ukrainian STEMM experts obtain experience in intercultural exchanges, which improves understanding and cooperation with people from different countries and cultures. Our mentors have a chance to interact with individuals from countries and cultures that they may have never visited before. Additionally, our STEMM experts discover different educational systems and are able to compare the level of education in Ukraine and abroad.
Our Ukrainian mentees say that the Global Talent Mentoring program is like a “window to the open world with its opportunities and perspectives.” Personal experience of foreign researchers is extremely valuable for Ukrainian students. Young mentees have the opportunity to gain confidence and create their own diverse networks. Likewise, Ukrainian STEMM experts obtain experience in intercultural exchanges, which improves understanding and cooperation with people from different countries and cultures. Our mentors have a chance to interact with individuals from countries and cultures that they may have never visited before. Additionally, our STEMM experts discover different educational systems and are able to compare the level of education in Ukraine and abroad.
What do you think is the most important aspect of the Global Talent Mentoring experience?
For me, the most important aspect of the Global Talent Mentoring experience is the idea of mentoring as an effective tool to develop soft skills that are transferable across any industry. Mentoring can be used to widen an individual’s perspective on different fields and aspects of life. It is good practice to provide personal mentoring opportunities between colleagues in the same industry or organization. We should encourage more mentors from the academic environment as well as from business and industry to develop young talent and therefore boost economic growth in countries.
For me, the most important aspect of the Global Talent Mentoring experience is the idea of mentoring as an effective tool to develop soft skills that are transferable across any industry. Mentoring can be used to widen an individual’s perspective on different fields and aspects of life. It is good practice to provide personal mentoring opportunities between colleagues in the same industry or organization. We should encourage more mentors from the academic environment as well as from business and industry to develop young talent and therefore boost economic growth in countries.
Choney, Suzanne (2018, March 18). Why do girls lose interest in STEM? New research has some answers — and what we can do about it. Microsoft. https://news.microsoft.com/features/why-do-girls-lose-interest-in-stem-new-research-has-some-answers-and-what-we-can-do-about-it/
O’Dea, R.E., Lagisz, M., Jennions, M.D. et al. Gender differences in individual variation in academic grades fail to fit expected patterns for STEM. Nature Communications 9, 3777 (2018). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-018–06292‑0